me: innen samachara
Guruprasad: illi inna summer time....so aaramagi nadhithide(nothing, its summer time so all going well.)
me: cool
Guruprasad: do u get any time while
u seem to have read a lot of books a
and travelling also
me: he he... adella chance sikkaga maDle bkalva(need to do all that well u get a chance rt!)... its jst a matter of priorities
correct taane(rt!)
Guruprasad: right.....
I wish I could be more like u !
somehow I can't compromise with my sleep !
me: no u are unique.... if u are like me then thr is no use of me
Guruprasad: I am trying to do lot of stuff...like photography, travel, gym, ...
me: u will get over it
good thatz gr8
nice to keep trying different things...
Guruprasad: but it sucks out all the energy out of me for my studies finally !
me: he he... its the mind that makes something refreshing or not...
Guruprasad: u right sir..
me: so if u simulate
actually feeling bored is only a matter of not feeling interested enough
or say simulating enough
en antira?
Guruprasad: and btw what do u think for my status msg ?
me: can u paste them over?
Guruprasad: "I am Omniscient and I am Omnipotent. Ergo, I am Lying."
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me: i differ on the last u arent lying... thou art really that
we are omniscient and omnipotent...
Guruprasad: I mean't it ...
Both cannot be true at the same time...
it contradicts Logic
me: both as in...
Guruprasad: and Reason
me: he he...
Guruprasad: Say if
me: humm...
Guruprasad: then u cannot change anything
me: he he...
u have already seen so u can always change cant u?
Guruprasad: But if u change something, it means u r not omniscient
then what u have seen will not happen
me: you are omniscient... which means u know wht leads to wht... not that I have seen everything... it only implies I understand better than usual
Omnipotent says one can has the energy to change it...
wht if he is the energy himself? he definitely can change himself rt...
thr by change wht is the end result?
Guruprasad: hmm....that changing the definition of Omniscient
It doesn't matter so the energy is right
It should hold good for all cases
me: changing the commonly held view of Omniscient
not its meaning
he he... are u sure?
will everything be good for all times?
in all situations?
Guruprasad: nopes..
me: dont thngs change?
Guruprasad: so ?
things change
me: so y not meaning and interpretations?
Guruprasad: but nobody can predict the future and still have the power to change it
he can either do one thing not both...
they are mutually exclusive properties
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me: he he..
Guruprasad: if one is truly omniscient, then he should be able to predict his own actions to change the current future
and thereby goes recursive
me: prediction is a game of probability rt
Guruprasad: and we get crazy !
me: it needs that 1.5 kg sooooooper computer sitting on our shoulders to get into action...
thtz it...
Guruprasad: I believe it is with the probability '0'
me: prob is not zero for any thing kano...
Guruprasad: hmm
me: we in our smaller intellect choose to make a lot of assumptions...
and thr by make things of higher probabiltiy for a certain event...
we look for causality and not co-relations
we confuse co-relation with causality all the time
or atleast most of the times
Guruprasad: co-relation interesting...
co-related with what ?
me: whn some one predicts some tng..using palmistry or some other technique he only gives a co-relation based understanding...
he cannot state something to be causal...
he only predicts based on the past data...
but that doesnt get all encompassing
Guruprasad: thats interpolation
me: its again as u say... some sort of interpretation...
not even interpolation...
Guruprasad: extending the past curve right
me: this has been the basis of al attempts to predict...
ya... some sort of ...
not exactly tho...
Guruprasad: ya...
me: some time thr is the factor of intuition which is un predictable tht plays a major role...
so finally wht some one predicts only is based on past
but doesnt get all encompassing...
so there is a lot of un explored things... and so there is abundant scope to get to teh new
Guruprasad: ya....such prediction are very limited in very dynamic situations
ya...
me: so we sometimes claim that those ppl who can co-relate better to be omniscient..
or rather in most cases...
but again they dont know
its like the case of a student who wanted to show case to his teacher tht he was damn smart
Guruprasad: actually the metaphor I was using was God
me: humm
well hang on
Guruprasad: ok
me: he gets a small bird in his hand to the teachers cabin and say...
sir I have a bird in my hand can u tell me if its living or dead...
so he was confident he could any way change the consequence based on wht the teacher told him
Guruprasad: ok..
me: the bird was living whn he brought it in
if the teacher told its living he could kill it and if he told it was dead then
then he could let if fy...
he thought he had all the strings under his control
he thought he knew the future...
Guruprasad: teacher's answer ?
me: the teachers reply was
;"I wont say if the bird is living or dead... I only know tht its existence is defined by ur choise"
so was the student actually knowing all?
Guruprasad: did he claim that he knew all ?
so...that stupid
me: atleast he thought...
thatz exactly wht u are trying to say...
Guruprasad: no...
not that point..
me: omniscience... is only that state...
and omni potence was the realization given by the teacher
getting to the next level which the student didnt expect... letting him know of a greater truth...
Guruprasad: Omniscience - All Knowing
right
me: its like getting into the shell of... all very beautifully packed within one another
so at the end of the story the teacher becomes omniscient jst by letting the student realize he is omnipotent...
Guruprasad: see...thats true..
me: its not a permanent state... its a stat e of flux... thatz wht i wnt to tell
Guruprasad: the teacher or the student is not both
they are only 1 state not both at any time
me: thr is nothing like complete truth... everything is evolutionary..
humm rt...
flux as I call it...
nice discussion kano 
Guruprasad: it could be flux, but a entity cannot be both at any point right ?
me: well u can call this paradox... but wht some call the GOD, I would call it life
or nature... that makes be feel better...
Guruprasad: ya....
me: so I thru my limited understanding would not at any point be able to
Guruprasad: so..when people say God is both...
me: be omni-*
Guruprasad: its actually contradictory
me: but wht if u see nature closely...
thru all its species it is trying gain nothing more than experience...
and in the process growing into being a completely new state...
we exist till thr is life in us...
we dont carry anything...
we start relating to the body and our identity of ego...
Guruprasad: We carry Genes.....but thats for another discussion I guess
me: in the process we some whr loose a lot of our powers which we can tap
if we disassociate frm the identity of ego...
Guruprasad: ok...
me: we would be going for experience.. and thru the gigantic network of various degrees of intelligence come to a new state of enlightenment...
and in some cases using tit to create beauty in the process...
Guruprasad: nice...
me: we as human are only catalysts...each one some way different from the other to get a different experience...
that is exactly y I told u - "if u are like me then there is no meaning in my existance... "
at the beginning...
Guruprasad: Omniscient I guess ?
me: so wht GOD/nature/ life is wanting from us is not
our triviality of trying to understand things and jst stop... we need to continue and make more creative works
be it in any field...
Guruprasad: hmm....
me: we need to use our huge 1.5 guy who is at the top to create things... not to jst brood on memories...
Guruprasad: 1.5 guy ?
me: I dont claim we should not work on our memories... we should not stick at tht point and judge any experience.. we need to extract the essence, take it along and then create something new
ya 1.5 guy = the brain...
Guruprasad: ok.... I don't deny that
creating new is what we all are trying to do in some way ..
me: its like u have the choice to carry the dead wood or extract the essence and carry it along...
Guruprasad: sure...I am with u, on that one
)
me: and to emphasize this further u can also observe tht its once we create something new
thtz whn we are the happiest...
this new thing can be by listening to some one... reading something... exploring/discovering etc...
thtz y a baby is so happy...and it doest stick with the dead wood...its looking for the essense...
doesnt it look so simply beautiful... we in our busy life start loosing the essence of all this...
alva?
Guruprasad: ya... Learning is a continuous process
and as adults we stick on to established ideas...
me: as we grow... some realize whr they are and wht excites them...
and follow.. some jst search and give up... some never start the search...
Guruprasad: ya....
did u see randy pausch's last lecture ?
me: illa...(no)
ellide adu?(whrz it?)
have no idea kano...
Guruprasad: on utube
its a good
me: hey am planning to put this on
my blog... wht say?
Guruprasad: I have no problems
me: cool...
its actually a discussion on spirituality as I have learnt it
Guruprasad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo
me: will look at the lecture
Guruprasad: ya...to to some extent
me: as said next discussion on genes
bye tc
cya
Guruprasad: I am up for that !
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2 comments:
Hmmm . honestly .. not that interesting ...
I guess JG *just* wanted to present a contradictory statement (which are always interesting ) to us .. thats it .. and i dont see it having loads of hidden information in it ....
Disclaimer : my opinion .. may be my mind is confined to a small world ... dont blame me :)
good 1 :)
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